I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
gets better gas mileage.
Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
(ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
Jack <buywhe…@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
>Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
>excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
>commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
>repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
>The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
>gets better gas mileage.
>Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
>(ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
Whichever car was treated better by the original owner. Ask for the
maintenance records. Whichever car has better maintenance records, buy
that one.
–scott
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Jack <buywhe…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1180030916.632282.256950
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> I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
> Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
> excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
> commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
> repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
> The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
> gets better gas mileage.
> Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
> (ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
OK! first…what are the milages of each car?
second…is there a complete service history for each car?
third….What warranty is there for each car?…is there a 5year warranty
unlimited milage for the accent for example?
I like driving in my car
All things being equal…go with the Cobalt. Bigger, better resale, both are
good vehicles.
"Jack" <buywhe…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
> Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
> excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
> commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
> repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
> The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
> gets better gas mileage.
> Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
> (ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
On May 24, 2:21 pm, Jack <buywhe…@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
> Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
> excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
> commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
> repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
> The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
> gets better gas mileage.
> Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
> (ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
It also depends on what you do for a living. If you work on a Union
job site or in construction some people can get very nasty toward
buying a car not made in the U.S., even if the U.S. doesn’t make a car
worth buying and a lot of the "American" cars have less domestic parts
and assembly then others.
Bill
Indeed, there are politics in car buying/car parking.
Eg, german cars in synogogues.
Japanese cars in Filipino or chinese strongholds.
At my wife’s job, two filipino’s got into near-fisticuffs over one’s
purchase of a japanese car.
American blacks/"minorities" shouldn’t be too keen on japanese cars, either,
given recent statements.
I forgot the context, but some companies doesn’t even allow a certain makes
(or non-makes) on their premisses–could be Merkin automakers.
The Japanese continue their juggernauting on Merkin throats:
Nissan w/ $2,000 headlights (maxima)
Honda w/ a $400 Yuasa motorcycle battery in a car (Fit)
God knows what else.
12 sets of Nissan headlights, or 40 Honda batteries, and you have a new
goddamm car.
But, ain’t shit gonna change.
We (the (M)asses) are little more than puppets on a string, with occasional
erections.
The fact that Paris Hilton is allowed to live, much less thrive on TV, is
the death knell of our society.
At least give her a hysterectomy.
DAT would be an inneresting episode.
Me, I forget about politics and just plaster confederate flags all over
m’pickup–and on my shotgun rack.
Investment advice: Vaseline, Prep H.
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> On May 24, 2:21 pm, Jack <buywhe…@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
>> Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
>> excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
>> commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
>> repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
>> The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
>> gets better gas mileage.
>> Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
>> (ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
> It also depends on what you do for a living. If you work on a Union
> job site or in construction some people can get very nasty toward
> buying a car not made in the U.S., even if the U.S. doesn’t make a car
> worth buying and a lot of the "American" cars have less domestic parts
> and assembly then others.
> Bill
I’m not much of a fan of GM cars, but the Cobalt is an exception. I rented
a lot of cars in the spring of 2006, and the Cobalt was the only one of
them I really liked. I drove it thousands of miles, and never had any
problems with it. It was comfortable, almost fun to drive, and got amazing
fuel economy, consistently.
CR gives the Cobalt dismal ratings, esp. reliability, and overall mpg of
only 23 for the 4 cyl.
They like the Accent better, altho apparently it’s too new to rate fully.
But CR listed 28 mpg’s–big diff vs. the cobalt.
Not really a fan of CR, but shit, they are about the only show in town.
Don’t know how accurate their mpg ratings are, but hopefully they are at
least correct on a *relative* comparison basis.
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> I’m not much of a fan of GM cars, but the Cobalt is an exception. I
> rented
> a lot of cars in the spring of 2006, and the Cobalt was the only one of
> them I really liked. I drove it thousands of miles, and never had any
> problems with it. It was comfortable, almost fun to drive, and got
> amazing
> fuel economy, consistently.
Tom Y wrote:
> I’m not much of a fan of GM cars, but the Cobalt is an exception. I rented
> a lot of cars in the spring of 2006, and the Cobalt was the only one of
> them I really liked. I drove it thousands of miles, and never had any
> problems with it. It was comfortable, almost fun to drive, and got amazing
> fuel economy, consistently.
Interesting. I test drove a Cobalt before buying my Sonata and it was
the most uncomfortable car I’ve driven since my 79 Chevette. Actually,
it was worse than the Chevette. The seat was hard as a rock and the car
road like a buckboard.
Matt
On 24 May 2007 11:21:56 -0700, Jack <buywhe…@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
>Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
>excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
>commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
>repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
>The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
>gets better gas mileage.
>Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
>(ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
Hyundai = 10 yr bumper to bumper warranty to original owner – they do
it to show the quality
GM – 5 year drive train to try to convince us they are getting serious
about quality if they are still here to cover the warranty.
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nothermark wrote:
> On 24 May 2007 11:21:56 -0700, Jack <buywhe…@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
>> Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
>> excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
>> commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
>> repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
>> The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
>> gets better gas mileage.
>> Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
>> (ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
> Hyundai = 10 yr bumper to bumper warranty to original owner – they do
> it to show the quality
> GM – 5 year drive train to try to convince us they are getting serious
> about quality if they are still here to cover the warranty.
If I HAD to pick between an Accent and a Cobalt, I’d take a Cobalt.
I test drove an 06 Accent with my mother when she was car shopping. It
drove and felt and sounded a lot like her old 86 Excel, right down to
the door chime. Considering how much of a turd that car was I cannot
recommend a Hyundai to anyone. (and yes, I’m using the same logic that
people use who once drove an 82 Chevette and deduced all GM’s were crap.)
Frankly, if you’re looking for an econobox commuter car, I’d suggest a
Corolla or Civic. Neither car has anything resembling a personality,
but generally seem to run for about 10 years with minimal investment.
And I’m a GM guy…I’m yet to be convinced the Cobalts will hold up.
If you want a car with a personality… that’s a different question.
TCO is tricky – when I was car shopping in the fall for a family car I
spent a lot of time adding up fuel costs, insurance costs, and estimated
repair costs for a lot of cars… and ended up buying the car that had
the features I wanted anyway. (Subaru Legacy wagon with a manual
transmission and AWD.)
FWIW, in Manitoba, here’s a comparison of insurance rates for basic
coverage for your cars (base cars, base coverage) (www.mpi.mb.ca)
06 Cobalt: $1612
06 Accent: $1504
06 Civic: $1707
06 Legacy Wagon: $1504
Ray
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> I test drove an 06 Accent with my mother when she was car shopping. It
> drove and felt and sounded a lot like her old 86 Excel, right down to the
> door chime. Considering how much of a turd that car was I cannot
> recommend a Hyundai to anyone.
Fortunately, there has been major improvements by Hyundai over the past 20
years. The old Excel certainly was a turd but if they kept making cars like
that, they’d not be in business today. It is not easy to overcome those
early impressions though.
The GM warranty is still in effect, if that helps you decide.
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> On 24 May 2007 11:21:56 -0700, Jack <buywhe…@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
>>Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
>>excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
>>commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
>>repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
>>The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
>>gets better gas mileage.
>>Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
>>(ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
> Hyundai = 10 yr bumper to bumper warranty to original owner – they do
> it to show the quality
> GM – 5 year drive train to try to convince us they are getting serious
> about quality if they are still here to cover the warranty.
I’m not surprised the Korean car insurance rate is less. Parts prices play
a big part in factoring insurance rates. That is one reason the rate for
Japanese cars are always higher than domestics.
mike
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> nothermark wrote:
>> On 24 May 2007 11:21:56 -0700, Jack <buywhe…@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
>>> Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
>>> excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
>>> commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
>>> repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
>>> The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
>>> gets better gas mileage.
>>> Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
>>> (ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
>> Hyundai = 10 yr bumper to bumper warranty to original owner – they do
>> it to show the quality
>> GM – 5 year drive train to try to convince us they are getting serious
>> about quality if they are still here to cover the warranty.
> If I HAD to pick between an Accent and a Cobalt, I’d take a Cobalt.
> I test drove an 06 Accent with my mother when she was car shopping. It
> drove and felt and sounded a lot like her old 86 Excel, right down to the
> door chime. Considering how much of a turd that car was I cannot
> recommend a Hyundai to anyone. (and yes, I’m using the same logic that
> people use who once drove an 82 Chevette and deduced all GM’s were crap.)
> Frankly, if you’re looking for an econobox commuter car, I’d suggest a
> Corolla or Civic. Neither car has anything resembling a personality,
> but generally seem to run for about 10 years with minimal investment. And
> I’m a GM guy…I’m yet to be convinced the Cobalts will hold up.
> If you want a car with a personality… that’s a different question.
> TCO is tricky – when I was car shopping in the fall for a family car I
> spent a lot of time adding up fuel costs, insurance costs, and estimated
> repair costs for a lot of cars… and ended up buying the car that had the
> features I wanted anyway. (Subaru Legacy wagon with a manual transmission
> and AWD.)
> FWIW, in Manitoba, here’s a comparison of insurance rates for basic
> coverage for your cars (base cars, base coverage) (www.mpi.mb.ca)
> 06 Cobalt: $1612
> 06 Accent: $1504
> 06 Civic: $1707
> 06 Legacy Wagon: $1504
> Ray
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Ray" <r…@nospam.example.com> wrote in message
>> I test drove an 06 Accent with my mother when she was car shopping. It
>> drove and felt and sounded a lot like her old 86 Excel, right down to the
>> door chime. Considering how much of a turd that car was I cannot
>> recommend a Hyundai to anyone.
> Fortunately, there has been major improvements by Hyundai over the past 20
> years. The old Excel certainly was a turd but if they kept making cars like
> that, they’d not be in business today. It is not easy to overcome those
> early impressions though.
fwiw, I still have it in my back yard. My mom finally parked it in 2002
when it was consuming equal amounts of gas and oil. I’m going to start
it up this year so I can laugh one last time and then recycle it. It is
the car I took my driver’s test in…
So, if anyone wants parts off an 86 Hyundai Excel GL, let me know… you
pay shipping…
Ashton Crusher wrote:
>> So, if anyone wants parts off an 86 Hyundai Excel GL, let me know… you
>> pay shipping…
> I need an automatic temp control head and the electronic memory power
> seat controls.
lol.
it’s an 86 Excel, which means it has manual heater controls (no AC) and
manual seats.
those are probably two of the only things working left on the car.
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>nothermark wrote:
>> On 24 May 2007 11:21:56 -0700, Jack <buywhe…@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
>>> Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
>>> excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
>>> commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
>>> repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
>>> The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
>>> gets better gas mileage.
>>> Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
>>> (ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
>> Hyundai = 10 yr bumper to bumper warranty to original owner – they do
>> it to show the quality
>> GM – 5 year drive train to try to convince us they are getting serious
>> about quality if they are still here to cover the warranty.
>If I HAD to pick between an Accent and a Cobalt, I’d take a Cobalt.
>I test drove an 06 Accent with my mother when she was car shopping. It
>drove and felt and sounded a lot like her old 86 Excel, right down to
>the door chime. Considering how much of a turd that car was I cannot
>recommend a Hyundai to anyone. (and yes, I’m using the same logic that
>people use who once drove an 82 Chevette and deduced all GM’s were crap.)
>Frankly, if you’re looking for an econobox commuter car, I’d suggest a
>Corolla or Civic. Neither car has anything resembling a personality,
>but generally seem to run for about 10 years with minimal investment.
>And I’m a GM guy…I’m yet to be convinced the Cobalts will hold up.
>If you want a car with a personality… that’s a different question.
>TCO is tricky – when I was car shopping in the fall for a family car I
>spent a lot of time adding up fuel costs, insurance costs, and estimated
>repair costs for a lot of cars… and ended up buying the car that had
>the features I wanted anyway. (Subaru Legacy wagon with a manual
>transmission and AWD.)
>FWIW, in Manitoba, here’s a comparison of insurance rates for basic
>coverage for your cars (base cars, base coverage) (www.mpi.mb.ca)
>06 Cobalt: $1612
>06 Accent: $1504
>06 Civic: $1707
>06 Legacy Wagon: $1504
>Ray
You really don’t get it. GM is losing their ass because they are like
microshaft. They own(ed) the market so long they could produce junk
and people bought it. I can now buy much better cars for much less
money with better engineering and often with more US content. GM and
Ford have both made a point of making their small cars low end junk to
justify the sale price of the bigger but not that much more expensive
to build full size stuff. But you will recommend them over somebody
that took quality seriously and fixed it more than 10 years ago.
Oh, and BTW, that includes Honda as their maintenance schedule is
really a scheduled rebuild the last time I looked.
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nothermark wrote:
> On Mon, 28 May 2007 08:51:17 -0500, Ray <r…@nospam.example.com>
> wrote:
>> nothermark wrote:
>>> On 24 May 2007 11:21:56 -0700, Jack <buywhe…@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
>>>> Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
>>>> excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
>>>> commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
>>>> repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
>>>> The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
>>>> gets better gas mileage.
>>>> Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
>>>> (ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
>>> Hyundai = 10 yr bumper to bumper warranty to original owner – they do
>>> it to show the quality
>>> GM – 5 year drive train to try to convince us they are getting serious
>>> about quality if they are still here to cover the warranty.
>> If I HAD to pick between an Accent and a Cobalt, I’d take a Cobalt.
>> I test drove an 06 Accent with my mother when she was car shopping. It
>> drove and felt and sounded a lot like her old 86 Excel, right down to
>> the door chime. Considering how much of a turd that car was I cannot
>> recommend a Hyundai to anyone. (and yes, I’m using the same logic that
>> people use who once drove an 82 Chevette and deduced all GM’s were crap.)
>> Frankly, if you’re looking for an econobox commuter car, I’d suggest a
>> Corolla or Civic. Neither car has anything resembling a personality,
>> but generally seem to run for about 10 years with minimal investment.
>> And I’m a GM guy…I’m yet to be convinced the Cobalts will hold up.
>> If you want a car with a personality… that’s a different question.
>> TCO is tricky – when I was car shopping in the fall for a family car I
>> spent a lot of time adding up fuel costs, insurance costs, and estimated
>> repair costs for a lot of cars… and ended up buying the car that had
>> the features I wanted anyway. (Subaru Legacy wagon with a manual
>> transmission and AWD.)
>> FWIW, in Manitoba, here’s a comparison of insurance rates for basic
>> coverage for your cars (base cars, base coverage) (www.mpi.mb.ca)
>> 06 Cobalt: $1612
>> 06 Accent: $1504
>> 06 Civic: $1707
>> 06 Legacy Wagon: $1504
>> Ray
> You really don’t get it. GM is losing their ass because they are like
> microshaft. They own(ed) the market so long they could produce junk
> and people bought it. I can now buy much better cars for much less
> money with better engineering and often with more US content. GM and
> Ford have both made a point of making their small cars low end junk to
> justify the sale price of the bigger but not that much more expensive
> to build full size stuff. But you will recommend them over somebody
> that took quality seriously and fixed it more than 10 years ago.
> Oh, and BTW, that includes Honda as their maintenance schedule is
> really a scheduled rebuild the last time I looked.
Did you read my post? If I had to choose between a Cobalt and an Accent
for an automotive appliance, I’d recommend a Civic or a Corolla.
FWIW, I bought a Subaru Legacy in the fall because I needed a wagon or a
minivan, and wanted awd and a stick shift.
Frankly, nothing compares to driving my Trans Am. If you’ve never been
slideways on a road course at 120mph, you’ll never understand.
Ray
A "scheduled rebuild" in what way? Replacement of more parts than other
makes?
Which parts?
Does this imply poor construction?
Is this scheduled rebuild on Honda’s or the owner’s dime?
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> On Mon, 28 May 2007 08:51:17 -0500, Ray <r…@nospam.example.com>
> wrote:
>>nothermark wrote:
>>> On 24 May 2007 11:21:56 -0700, Jack <buywhe…@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
>>>> Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
>>>> excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
>>>> commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
>>>> repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
>>>> The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
>>>> gets better gas mileage.
>>>> Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
>>>> (ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
>>> Hyundai = 10 yr bumper to bumper warranty to original owner – they do
>>> it to show the quality
>>> GM – 5 year drive train to try to convince us they are getting serious
>>> about quality if they are still here to cover the warranty.
>>If I HAD to pick between an Accent and a Cobalt, I’d take a Cobalt.
>>I test drove an 06 Accent with my mother when she was car shopping. It
>>drove and felt and sounded a lot like her old 86 Excel, right down to
>>the door chime. Considering how much of a turd that car was I cannot
>>recommend a Hyundai to anyone. (and yes, I’m using the same logic that
>>people use who once drove an 82 Chevette and deduced all GM’s were crap.)
>>Frankly, if you’re looking for an econobox commuter car, I’d suggest a
>>Corolla or Civic. Neither car has anything resembling a personality,
>>but generally seem to run for about 10 years with minimal investment.
>>And I’m a GM guy…I’m yet to be convinced the Cobalts will hold up.
>>If you want a car with a personality… that’s a different question.
>>TCO is tricky – when I was car shopping in the fall for a family car I
>>spent a lot of time adding up fuel costs, insurance costs, and estimated
>>repair costs for a lot of cars… and ended up buying the car that had
>>the features I wanted anyway. (Subaru Legacy wagon with a manual
>>transmission and AWD.)
>>FWIW, in Manitoba, here’s a comparison of insurance rates for basic
>>coverage for your cars (base cars, base coverage) (www.mpi.mb.ca)
>>06 Cobalt: $1612
>>06 Accent: $1504
>>06 Civic: $1707
>>06 Legacy Wagon: $1504
>>Ray
> You really don’t get it. GM is losing their ass because they are like
> microshaft. They own(ed) the market so long they could produce junk
> and people bought it. I can now buy much better cars for much less
> money with better engineering and often with more US content. GM and
> Ford have both made a point of making their small cars low end junk to
> justify the sale price of the bigger but not that much more expensive
> to build full size stuff. But you will recommend them over somebody
> that took quality seriously and fixed it more than 10 years ago.
> Oh, and BTW, that includes Honda as their maintenance schedule is
> really a scheduled rebuild the last time I looked.
choice was Cobalt or Accent. You said Cobalt. I said I couldn’t
understand why.
On Wed, 30 May 2007 09:31:43 -0500, Ray <r…@nospam.example.com>
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>nothermark wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 May 2007 08:51:17 -0500, Ray <r…@nospam.example.com>
>> wrote:
>>> nothermark wrote:
>>>> On 24 May 2007 11:21:56 -0700, Jack <buywhe…@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I have a chance to purchase either a 2006 Chevy Cobalt or 2006 Hyundai
>>>>> Accent for the same amout of money. Both cars are used but are both in
>>>>> excellent, like new condition. I will primarily use the car as a
>>>>> commuter vehicle. Overall cost of ownership including gas mileage,
>>>>> repair, durability, etc. are important to me.
>>>>> The Chevy is bigger and feels relatively more substantial. The Hyundai
>>>>> gets better gas mileage.
>>>>> Which one is likely to have a lower cost of ownership in the long term
>>>>> (ten years)? My apology for cross posting.
>>>> Hyundai = 10 yr bumper to bumper warranty to original owner – they do
>>>> it to show the quality
>>>> GM – 5 year drive train to try to convince us they are getting serious
>>>> about quality if they are still here to cover the warranty.
>>> If I HAD to pick between an Accent and a Cobalt, I’d take a Cobalt.
>>> I test drove an 06 Accent with my mother when she was car shopping. It
>>> drove and felt and sounded a lot like her old 86 Excel, right down to
>>> the door chime. Considering how much of a turd that car was I cannot
>>> recommend a Hyundai to anyone. (and yes, I’m using the same logic that
>>> people use who once drove an 82 Chevette and deduced all GM’s were crap.)
>>> Frankly, if you’re looking for an econobox commuter car, I’d suggest a
>>> Corolla or Civic. Neither car has anything resembling a personality,
>>> but generally seem to run for about 10 years with minimal investment.
>>> And I’m a GM guy…I’m yet to be convinced the Cobalts will hold up.
>>> If you want a car with a personality… that’s a different question.
>>> TCO is tricky – when I was car shopping in the fall for a family car I
>>> spent a lot of time adding up fuel costs, insurance costs, and estimated
>>> repair costs for a lot of cars… and ended up buying the car that had
>>> the features I wanted anyway. (Subaru Legacy wagon with a manual
>>> transmission and AWD.)
>>> FWIW, in Manitoba, here’s a comparison of insurance rates for basic
>>> coverage for your cars (base cars, base coverage) (www.mpi.mb.ca)
>>> 06 Cobalt: $1612
>>> 06 Accent: $1504
>>> 06 Civic: $1707
>>> 06 Legacy Wagon: $1504
>>> Ray
>> You really don’t get it. GM is losing their ass because they are like
>> microshaft. They own(ed) the market so long they could produce junk
>> and people bought it. I can now buy much better cars for much less
>> money with better engineering and often with more US content. GM and
>> Ford have both made a point of making their small cars low end junk to
>> justify the sale price of the bigger but not that much more expensive
>> to build full size stuff. But you will recommend them over somebody
>> that took quality seriously and fixed it more than 10 years ago.
>> Oh, and BTW, that includes Honda as their maintenance schedule is
>> really a scheduled rebuild the last time I looked.
>Did you read my post? If I had to choose between a Cobalt and an Accent
>for an automotive appliance, I’d recommend a Civic or a Corolla.
>FWIW, I bought a Subaru Legacy in the fall because I needed a wagon or a
>minivan, and wanted awd and a stick shift.
>Frankly, nothing compares to driving my Trans Am. If you’ve never been
>slideways on a road course at 120mph, you’ll never understand.
>Ray
"nothermark" <notherm…@not.here> wrote in message
> One
> of the guys I work with bought an Accord. He’s around 60K and talking
> about the $1000 shop charge for his next maintenace cycle. Go figure.
> Oh, and yes, we drive a lot. Service business.
Having that service done is, of course going to prolong the life of the car.
OTOH, not having some of the functions done may have very little effect on
the life of the car. No way would I ever follow the dealer’s
recommendations. They are a profit center, not just a booster for your
driving comfort. Most important single thing you can do is change the oil
at the proper interval. If you drive a lot, that is probably 7500 miles.
nothermark wrote:
> choice was Cobalt or Accent. You said Cobalt. I said I couldn’t
> understand why.
because of my experience with cars.
Hyundai = korean for garbage.
A Cobalt ain’t that great, but it’s better than a Hyundai.
For me, it’s also a GM, which because I fix my own cars, means I stand a
chance of being able to service it. I can rebuild my wife’s Beretta
blindfolded by now, but every time I open the hood of my Subaru, I’m
reaching for the manual for anything beyond checking the oil – it’s all
the same and yet completely different.
That’s why.
I’ve also driven in an Accent and a Cobalt, and the Cobalt is the better
driving car.
Ray
Ray <r…@nospam.example.com> wrote in
news:QJV7i.2570$NU1.686@newsfe13.lga:
> because of my experience with cars.
I can’t argue with your experience, but are you talking about anything
recent? Or are we pre-2000?
> Hyundai = korean for garbage.
Every time I see this statement I feel my wallet get fatter. Keep it up
as you are saving me and the other Hyundai owners money.
> A Cobalt ain’t that great, but it’s better than a Hyundai.
Actually, no it isn’t. And up until the last few years (and yes I know
the Cobalt is fairly new) this was just a matter of personal opinion.
> For me, it’s also a GM, which because I fix my own cars, means I stand
> a chance of being able to service it.
Again, that is your personal choice. If you can service a GM, you can
service just about any other vehicle if you want to spend a few minutes
to learn about it.
> I can rebuild my wife’s Beretta blindfolded by now,
LOL. I could do that on the ’86 Excel my sister owned too. Since about
’99 or so, I haven’t had to rebuild an Hyundai’s I’ve owned. Seriously,
if you know how to rebuild a car blindfolded, you probably done it too
many times. Buy a Hyundai and you won’t ever have to worry about that
again.
> but every time I open the hood of my Subaru, I’m
> reaching for the manual for anything beyond checking the oil – it’s >
> > all the same and yet completely different.
No offense but it sounds like you don’t really want to learn it.
> That’s why.
> I’ve also driven in an Accent and a Cobalt, and the Cobalt is the
> better driving car.
Again, I can’t argue with your opinion, but I drove a Cobalt and the
thing felt like a real POS. Others have expressed the same opinion.
And there are probably just as many people that think the Accent is a
POS. Personally, I give the Accent the win hands down.
Eric